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Regina Buenaobra · Feb 06, 2009, 06:22 PM // 18:22

I have posted it here in English, German, French, Spanish, and Italian. I am quoting it in full (English) below:

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Tournament Ruling - 06 February 2009

In the most recent GvG tournament, Rebel Rising [rawr] and Survival Rate [zero] tied against each other by coming to an agreement and choosing not to fight while the timer counted down. Forcing a draw at that stage of the tournament guaranteed both teams a place in the Top 16. Based on documentation and reviews of the event, we observed both guilds willfully and knowingly conspiring to intentionally draw the match in this way. It was very clear that both guilds broke tournament rules, which state that participants may not engage in any form of ladder manipulation or unsportsmanlike conduct. Both guilds agreed to tie the match, and they did so knowing that they were breaking the rules.

As a result, both guilds will have their cape trims removed. Rebel Rising [rawr] will have their permanent gold cape trim removed for a period of one month. Survival Rate [zero] will not receive their silver cape trim for placing in the Top 16. The guilds’ rankings will remain the same.

We feel that removing status (cape trims) rather than resetting their rankings sends a stronger signal to the guilds involved, while still being lenient in this first offense. Future offenses of this type may be treated in a stricter manner, including temporary or permanent bans for any players involved.

We are working on updating the ATS mechanics to further discourage this type of ladder manipulation in the future. We will also be updating the tournament rules to provide more clarity on this issue.

If you have any comments or feedback about this decision, please contact the Community Team at community @arena.net or through one of the other methods listed on my user page.

If you have any questions or concerns, as always, please feel free to contact me.

Nemesis of God · Feb 06, 2009, 06:25 PM // 18:25

Are you serious?

Boycott ANET!

Seriously, this is most ridicolous I have ever heard.

I pwnd U · Feb 06, 2009, 06:26 PM // 18:26

Thanks for the update. Seems like a fair enough punishment. No one really got hurt and no one will really get hurt from the punishment.

Really? It's not that big of a deal, as others have said, they were both more then likely going to place in the top 16 anyways. [rawr] would have for sure.

The forth fly · Feb 06, 2009, 06:29 PM // 18:29

what a joke you fail anet

Winstar · Feb 06, 2009, 06:34 PM // 18:34

What, no stoning?

Winterclaw · Feb 06, 2009, 06:35 PM // 18:35

I'm surprised you didn't ban them from playing in tournaments for a few months...

Anyways, they should be happy they got off light.

Sir Skullcrasher · Feb 06, 2009, 06:35 PM // 18:35

I thought A-Net would do something more.... serious! Like banning both guilds from the next tournament. Seems like a fair punishment but still... it's a game why take things so serious!?

Can't we all just get along?

Kattar · Feb 06, 2009, 06:36 PM // 18:36

I find this fitting. Cape trim is srs bsns, since it's bragging rights. Hit them where it hurts, so to speak.

Nae · Feb 06, 2009, 06:39 PM // 18:39

There's pretty much no possible way to prevent the players from rawr and zero from playing in upcoming tournaments without IP banning them. Even then I'm sure they could get around it. They all have second and third accounts, as well as who knows how many smurf guilds. There really wasn't much Anet could really do.

Billiard · Feb 06, 2009, 06:43 PM // 18:43

I am sure ArenaNet spent considerable time and effort to collect a lot of relevant information for this decision, and did not make it lightly. Before anyone blasts them for this I would hope they would do an equal amount of research themselves.

In this instance what was earned in the most recent tournament was taken away as punishment, and in addition rawr loses the use of their eight previously won permanent capes for a month. Were rawr a guild that had never won a gold cape, this would have been an even much more severe punishment since they are for most guilds not easy to win.

In any event, please don't troll or flame in this thread as you make your comments and discussion.

zelgadissan · Feb 06, 2009, 06:44 PM // 18:44

Don't really think they deserved much more if any more at all, but I still expected more punishment.

Either way, thanks for the update Regina.

Syn² · Feb 06, 2009, 06:48 PM // 18:48

OMFG rawr doesn't have gold for 1 month. I seriously think they will QQ' ~~

ghost well you know · Feb 06, 2009, 06:48 PM // 18:48

thats a freakin joke.Remove the trim,oh wow.Guess there is a show of favoritism.But you better not make a funny name or something or they will ban you good mister.

Trader of Secrets · Feb 06, 2009, 06:48 PM // 18:48

Anet is godly. When they say "Fight to the death", fight to the death!

Shmanka · Feb 06, 2009, 06:49 PM // 18:49

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Originally Posted by Katsumi

I find this fitting. Cape trim is srs bsns, since it's bragging rights. Hit them where it hurts, so to speak.

I'm sorry, but I have never heard of you in the pvp community. So let me point somethings out, we don't really care about trims all that much.

Trims are absolutely nothing, its a fancy design, and I admit its probably great to have (I legitamently got silver 2x). The biggest problem is that this is in no way going to stop people from doing "tie breakers".

rawr doesn't get TV for a month, it's like ANet did a bad grounding on them.

I think it was mathematically proven that [zero] would have gotten top 16, and [rawr] possibly in the top 32, or very likely.

This is a slap on the wrist, and a polite way to ask them to not do it again. I like [rawr] and [zero] they bring competition in this game. But this is not punishment, this is a joke.

You guys all don't pvp at all, RA and TA don't count. I have no idea how any of you could think this is fair.

moko · Feb 06, 2009, 07:04 PM // 19:04

it's probably just a temp solution to stop the cape carebears from abusing draws. it's not really directed at rawr nor zero, but rather at other possible abuses.

rawr and zero are most likely not going to do the same again, as the next punishment would turn out way worse, at least i assume so.

so really, it's just to scare of other cape addicted nubs.

although i really don't understand why they don't simply remove draws. who would EVER draw in an AT game, or any GvG? if nobody deals damage to the lord, both should lose. :P

but i guess it's a matter of coding and not wanting to invest time into it~~

don't care about the punishment, i just hope their little plan works out to stop abuse. ;D

Shayne Hawke · Feb 06, 2009, 07:11 PM // 19:11

This punishment was a joke. Guilds like rawr that lose their cape trim can just get it again.

At least they're working on preventing the problem from happening again. I hope that means that HB is also getting a similar adjustment, or ANet will be officially stating that they don't care about it.

Shadowmoon · Feb 06, 2009, 07:13 PM // 19:13

Mostly was i expected, but i'm not completely sure why yall didn't bump geAr to gold trim, and 17 and 18 place to silver, and so on for bronze due to the void caused by this DQ. Also, showing how you CAN cause a debt in the RP system with the mistake of double dipping this past update, will the guilds have to work off this debt in RPs in future tourniments. I mean stripping the capes is nice, but what about the 4.8 million gold worth in RPs per players in rawr and whatever the math works out for zero.

stanzhao · Feb 06, 2009, 07:16 PM // 19:16

i dont think this is about rawr or zero at all. because basically, a cape trim taken away for a month wont mean anything to a guild who can easily get another one. i think anet are just saying, 'please dont do this again basically'.

i think the real message is about every other guild who would try and copy the tactics for a trim. simply putting it that, if you get caught drawing to go through, you wont get your trim. simple.

i mean to take away rawrs gold trim for a month is punishment to who exactly? there is no punishment here as far as i can see. just a general warning to all the other guilds who wont win trims on a regular basis

Eragon Zarroc · Feb 06, 2009, 07:18 PM // 19:18

I am glad that at least something is being done. 1 month of gold trim removal seems a little meh but rawr has earned it multiple times so it would be a little harsh for perma removal. it is understandable that the 1st offense punishment is this lenient due to the fact that such a blatant disregard for the rules has never occured before. i would like to see anet track down all the people who use their smurf guilds to participate in the tournies and have them removed as well. misrepresentation of ur true rank and gvg experience is unsportsmanlike and manipulates the rankings of the lower ranked guilds as well as the predictions. but i'm sure that this would require too much work on anet's part, lol. not too mention, once u get into multiple accounts on these guilds, it becomes a little hard to be absolutely sure what smurf belongs to what high ranked guild.